jeff gardere here in new york. and i've got to say, this is right off of "shawshank redemption" when i was watching it. it reminded me of this. let's talk about his psychology, because initially he was -- when he first got convicted, he was very bitter. he was very angry. and then he had some -- we could call it, like, a god experience. >> a transformation. >> and it all changed. >> exactly. you're left with two things. first of all, you never think this can happen to you or anyone. we've been taught if you tell the truth, then the truth shall set you free. you'll be okay. it didn't happen here. he told the truth. he went to jail incredibly. so, what are you left with? at this point, yes, you become bitter, but you either die or you thrive. not survive, thrive. and that means completely changing your life, having that god experience that you talked about, rosa, and making something completely different than you ever were before. that's the only way that you go on from something like this. >> oh, my gosh, i cannot e